Haunted Shipwrecks and Ethical Pet Dilemmas: A Ghostly Gauntlet of Maritime Mysteries and Moral Crossroads
Jan 25, 2024Season 2Episode 18
Matt and Jesse
Venture with us to the windswept Californian coast where the spectral remnants of the Invernus shipwreck whisper tales of a bygone era. As we recount the ship's transformation from a thriving fishing vessel to its current status as a photographer's dream and a tourist hotspot, we unravel the enigmatic charm of decrepit maritime relics. But it's not all about eerie aesthetics; we also wade into the waters of boat ownership, reflecting on the liberating yet demanding nature of maintaining these vessels, often with personal sacrifices waiting in the wake.
Switching currents, we examine the heart-tugging dilemma presented by Ariel, the six-legged spaniel whose extra limbs put us at a moral crossroads. Through candid discussion, we dissect the ethical quandaries tied to medical decisions for our pets, where the line between preserving uniqueness and ensuring their quality of life becomes blurred. So, join us as we navigate these complex waters, inviting you to ponder the weighty choices pet owners face, all while sharing our own perspectives on this multifaceted issue.
Venture with us to the windswept Californian coast where the spectral remnants of the Invernus shipwreck whisper tales of a bygone era. As we recount the ship's transformation from a thriving fishing vessel to its current status as a photographer's dream and a tourist hotspot, we unravel the enigmatic charm of decrepit maritime relics. But it's not all about eerie aesthetics; we also wade into the waters of boat ownership, reflecting on the liberating yet demanding nature of maintaining these vessels, often with personal sacrifices waiting in the wake.
Switching currents, we examine the heart-tugging dilemma presented by Ariel, the six-legged spaniel whose extra limbs put us at a moral crossroads. Through candid discussion, we dissect the ethical quandaries tied to medical decisions for our pets, where the line between preserving uniqueness and ensuring their quality of life becomes blurred. So, join us as we navigate these complex waters, inviting you to ponder the weighty choices pet owners face, all while sharing our own perspectives on this multifaceted issue.
Speaker 1:
Okay.
Speaker 2:
The boat was built in the 1940s and was used for transportation and fishing before it was abandoned years ago. It was abandoned because it was haunted, I think.
Speaker 1:
Maybe, or maybe because it's in a thousand pieces. Yeah, труд Boats. Wait, what'd you say?
Speaker 2:
How do you feel about boats?
Speaker 1:
I Got the pleasure of riding in one for the first time a few years ago.
Speaker 2:
Do they make your heart?
Speaker 1:
pound, I Mean they do give me joy and the reason why joy, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, let me. Let me explain a little bit. The reason why they give me joy is because I love the water. I'm kind of like a beach bomb, so I Love the ocean, love the lake. Anytime I can spend time on the water, it just makes me happy. So, like being out on a boat, it's a good day, especially if it's sunny out and it's nice out. It's, it's fun. Would I want to own a boat? No, why not? Too much maintenance you are scared is definitely a lot of maintenance. The people that own boats, they have lost wives and things of that because they spend a lot of time.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, you don't have a wife. If you have a boat, probably I don't think it's a great idea because you're spending.
Speaker 1:
I've seen people almost Sacrificed, like losing half of their families because Of a boat, of a boat, and spending way too much time doing the maintenance on it, because a boat is kind of like a puppy and the fact that you have to take care of it 24 7. Yeah, I get that. Yeah, so it's constant.
Speaker 2:
I found about. I found an article about this boat. All right, shoot, let me see what you got. Dude, it's called Hang on a second. You scrolling, scrolling, scrolling scrolling time running out for a landmark old boat that became a California social media star.
Speaker 1:
Okay, an old boat that became a social. Let's check this out. Okay, the pictures epic.
Speaker 2:
Well, that's just like part of a house that was destroyed there's more than one picture.
Speaker 1:
If you hit the arrow on the right, yeah, the initial picture is Pretty. Here's my thing when I see this picture of the boat. And if you want to see this AP news comm slash oddities, the boat looks like a hold my beer picture, like somebody was like hold my beer, watch me do this. The actual picture that they have is a wreck. This thing is shredded. I mean, the front is still intact, kind of.
Speaker 2:
It looks like it should have been on the walking.
Speaker 1:
I mean, it looks pretty epic. You know you could, speaking of which, if you wanted to shoot a movie or something at the boat that'd be a great set.
Speaker 2:
I'd be surprised if there wasn't something already Like I feel like that's something you would see on Lost yeah, like that's insane, something apocalyptic.
Speaker 1:
All right, so tell us about this boat man, what happened?
Speaker 2:
Okay, I'll just jump in and read it, cause I mean, yeah, time is apparently running out for California's Invernus shipwreck.
Speaker 1:
Inverse Invernus I thought it was inverse or something Like yeah, there is no S, so Invernus, I don't know if that's a typo or not. Maybe it no, maybe not. Maybe it's something we don't understand.
Speaker 2:
I don't know, an old wooden boat that became an Instagram stars, that rotted on a shoreline north of San Francisco. Recent storms have made a shambles of the four Lauren vessels named Point Reyes which was already deteriorated from the overattention of visitors to the Marin County coast. San Francisco.
Speaker 1:
Bay reported. Maybe that's the name of the area, because it says Invernus, California.
Speaker 2:
Oh well, there you go.
Speaker 1:
Maybe that's the name of the area, okay.
Speaker 2:
I didn't get there yet. No, no, no At the top of that paragraph you just read.
Speaker 1:
It says Invernus California, so maybe that's the area they're talking about.
Speaker 2:
Why are you stupid Paige? I'm sorry I'm having trouble with my arrow.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, you have to use the mouse bro.
Speaker 2:
Cause, it's not letting you. Well, my computer keeps lagging, so I don't know.
Speaker 1:
It did it to me too. I think it's just that page.
Speaker 2:
The National Park Service is aware that additional damage occurred to the vessel as a result of the most recent storms and tides. Point Reyes National Seashore officials, officials, officials, officials. Sent a statement to the SF Gate news site. While we recognized that this is a local land mark, now it just moved all of a sudden.
Speaker 1:
Oh, yeah, it's something's going on. If you want to go check this page out, there's something paranormal going on with this page.
Speaker 2:
I don't understand what's going on. They're just messing with it right now, or something.
Speaker 1:
They did the same thing to my computer. Did that to you too. Yeah, I'm not dealing with one.
Speaker 2:
Okay, good, I was starting to think my computer was taking a crap or something.
Speaker 1:
I'm telling you, it did it to me too Good.
Speaker 2:
Well, not good, but you know what I mean. While we recognize that this is a local land mark and destination, the NPS is evaluating options to remove it safely.
Speaker 1:
OK.
Speaker 2:
The boat was built in the 1940s and was used for transportation and fishing before it was abandoned years ago. It was abandoned because it was haunted, I think.
Speaker 1:
Maybe, or maybe because it's in a thousand pieces.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, ground near the community of Invernus on a section of the Tamales Tamales Bay shoreline.
Speaker 1:
Hot.
Speaker 2:
Tamales Bay shoreline that is part of the Point Reyes National Seashore.
Speaker 1:
So yeah, it is the area of Invernus. It sounds like it should be inverse, right.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, that's what I was thinking initially when I first looked out.
Speaker 1:
I'm sure that town has heard that joke more than once.
Speaker 2:
That it then became a tourist draw on darling of social media. Instagram alone has more than 5,500 images of the Point Reyes. Now the scene that caught the eyes of so many photographers is just about gone. Jim Fox, chief of the local fire department, told the Chronicle that the boat is a dangerous nuisance. Of course, it's much more dangerous than it used to be, he said. As the fire chief, I would just as soon people not come out here because someone's going to get hurt.
Speaker 1:
You know what that is? That?
Speaker 2:
is it's?
Speaker 1:
not a fad anymore, so we got to get rid of it, yeah, it's like. Come on, bro, Like what is that, and then I got this question.
Speaker 2:
How do you have people left and right Like, well, you can't do nothing because we think it's hazardous, or whatever Like let a kid be a kid man, yeah, and my thing is, you know, this generation has gotten too soft.
Speaker 1:
We used to hang around dangerous stuff like this all the time we were just fine.
Speaker 2:
I used to jump off like 20 foot rocks just because man.
Speaker 1:
Well, any kind of old wrecks or abandoned areas you talked about when you were a kid, that was the coolest thing ever. Because I know, dude, I would love to go. Just for instance, we didn't have cell phones or computers back then, so we would literally just go out on adventures.
Speaker 2:
Dude, I would literally adventure in the woods Like our friends and I would do the same thing.
Speaker 1:
Nothing happened to us.
Speaker 2:
We never fell in trees, we never got eaten by wild animals.
Speaker 1:
We never got. You know nothing ever happened to us.
Speaker 2:
They worry way too much now, I think you need to.
Speaker 1:
I think you need to let people live life, and one of the things about living life is having adventures.
Speaker 2:
Can an adult. Let that be on them. They want to risk going to the hospital, so what?
Speaker 1:
I mean and hold on. It's an abandoned boat. But let's be honest, if wood fell on them from that what we just saw, that shipwreck I doubt it would hurt very much Like it's probably it's very close to the ground. The center the center cabin is if it fell apart. I doubt anything like maybe this part. But see, there's no roof. There's not even a roof there. Like you would be fine, I, maybe you could get cut from the wood, but that's about it.
Speaker 2:
And if they really wanted it, removed all that. It is be like, hey people, this was free to spoke free.
Speaker 1:
Also take it also. People can injure themselves on a completely safe playground.
Speaker 2:
Tripping over myself. Yeah, you're then.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, see they have. They have pictures checking out. I would love that as a kid. Are you kidding me? An old, abandoned shipwreck? Yeah, you could totally just have fun with that. So I get why they want to remove it. It's becoming a hazard, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:
But it's just you know.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, and you're gonna have the ocean come in, looks like and it's gonna get water.
Speaker 2:
It's gonna get removed. What really I?
Speaker 1:
Feel like the ocean or whatever's behind it, it would come in and wash it out. Anyway it'd be gone. So I don't know, I think they're just making a Big thing out of mountains, animal hills, yeah, exactly I. Just they're making a big thing out of nothing.
Speaker 1:
I think if I was a kid I would love to just play around it, just to be like hey, this is the scene to our movie we're in a shipwreck, like you know what I mean, like They'd be sick and my dad and I built stuff all the time and, yes, of course we got nails and cuts and it's about scrapes all the time You're not gonna die like cheese anyway. That's my feelings on it.
Speaker 2:
That's us been about it.
Speaker 1:
He's like why don't you just tell us how you really feel? Yeah, but the picture does look cool. I don't know why there would be 5,500 images of it.
Speaker 2:
That's a lot dude.
Speaker 1:
That's a lot for one boat like you really need that many images and there's not much to the boat. It's pretty small shipwreck guys. This is not like one of those Titanic style now. There's four pictures, you could have an argument if it was a big. If it was a cruise line if it was a big vessel? Yes, that is an argument you don't want people this thing, one of the small.
Speaker 2:
It looks like a small fishing boat.
Speaker 1:
That's what it looks like. Yeah, come on man. Come on, as Joe Biden says. Come on man.
Speaker 2:
You know, honestly, there's and I'm happy for our you with me, but I'm like you said, I think they're just making big stuff.
Speaker 1:
I don't know this point with that boat. I have another one for you. Another one, another new story. Oh, is that the one? I think it is. Oh yeah, the six-legged spaniel.
Speaker 2:
We just had a little spat about. The six-legged spaniel as awful as the other him.
Speaker 1:
Yes, we're going to create a civil war within our community. That's fine. The six-legged spaniel undergo surgery to remove extra limbs and adjust to life.
Speaker 2:
On for pause now you heard, that right, a six-legged six-legged dog.
Speaker 1:
Now the argument that we were discussing, which is a. It's a great topic for debate. I guarantee bring this up in your car. It's a great way to start arguments. If you had a pet With mutations, would you get the mutations removed? Now, you already know my response there I do like mutations. Okay, that's not what I was saying. I wasn't saying that I don't like mutations. I was saying it's possible that they could have got these removed if it was hazardous to the animal.
Speaker 2:
Well, we don't know you.
Speaker 1:
We don't know, we're gonna find out, but the the other thing was, if it's not like you know, the two-headed fish and it's just a two-headed fish. Yeah and there's no, it's not harmful to the animal. That's cool, that's fine, I'm totally fine with that, like. But if the mutation, they removed it because it could cause problems down the road, that's different, I think yeah, in my opinion, and that was our little. I said I would love that six-legged dog.
Speaker 2:
I'd leave all six legs on it and be like.
Speaker 1:
Hey, look at this. So what happened with this dog? A dog with six legs that was found abandoned supermarket parking lot, is adjusting to life on four paws After extra limbs were removed surgically. London, a Spaniel born with six legs that was found abandoned in a supermarket, is now like the other dogs after having her extra limbs Removed. Ariel, who was named for the little mermaid.
Speaker 2:
Why would you name a dog after it was named after the little mermaid? I?
Speaker 1:
don't know, maybe a kid named it, it says, because the additional appendage with two paws on the other end look like a flipper. That's why they named it. Ran through the grass outside a veterinarian hospital. Hospital can't talk. Saturday as she adjusted to life on four legs. She is doing brilliantly, said Vicki black, director of Langford vets small animal referral hospital, where she was operated. On Thursday this dog, who had multiple birth defects, was found in the center of Pembroke, wales in September, right well no Up by the UK.
Speaker 1:
Oh, england, ireland, scotland, wales, yeah, yeah, different Wales different Wales Um sperm whales Pembroke, wales. Green Acres rescued, took her in and raised funds for her surgery.
Speaker 2:
Black said the hospital Okay, my screen just jumped which is the part of the University of Bristol, has had never seen a six-legged dog or performed such an operation. Eric continue.
Speaker 1:
Ariel was a complicated little dog, black said.
Speaker 2:
We are a center committed to career long Learning and are proud to innovate and treat pets like Ariel the extra legs extended from the right Hindquarter and appeared to be of no use, dangling beside her wagon tail as you walked a bit awkwardly in a video shot before the operation. Oh, there it is.
Speaker 1:
They didn't cause a walk weird, so they didn't, didn't have any use and it was causing her son have trouble walking.
Speaker 2:
It's basically. We don't know for sure yet. This is pretty well.
Speaker 1:
They said it was dangling there no, it wasn't like she was using the legs, I'll dangling beside, yeah. On Saturday, as she was discharged, she took to the lawn outside the hospital with a Determination of a bird dog knows to the ground and pulling on her leash just like any other dog. So she was rather happy.
Speaker 2:
Okay, but if it was just dangling and it didn't affect her walk per se, was it really necessary?
Speaker 1:
I. They're saying she was much happier without it. I don't know, I wasn't there.
Speaker 2:
I know, see, that kind of bugs me. It's been going to like deep. Well, here's the video.
Speaker 1:
Let me see if we got.
Speaker 2:
They must have been pretty small, though, because there's aerial.
Speaker 1:
That's her. Yeah, we see. I don't know I can't see it up close. They're not showing it up close. This little section back here looks awkward. See where she's like.
Speaker 2:
Like those look.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I mean right there, that might be a circle. That might be it. Yeah, it looks like she was kind of walking weird with it, though it didn't look like it didn't look like extra Legs, it looked like a section that shouldn't be there.
Speaker 2:
But I mean, she was a super video.
Speaker 1:
We didn't show the extra. We didn't get anything out of it, OK. So the question remains if you had a pet now ask this to your friends If you had a pet with extra limbs, would you get them removed or would you keep them on? I'd keep, I don't know, I feel like. If it would hinder the pet, that's where I draw the line. If it's causing the pet pain or discomfort, that's where I'd say, hey, time to get this done.
Speaker 2:
I dream of finding mutated animals.
Speaker 1:
There you go, there you have it. Ladies and gentlemen. Jesse dreams of mutation.
Speaker 2:
We need to find some more Mutate, mutated animals. You take some.
Speaker 1:
There are definitely some crazy mutations out there, so yeah, I've heard about like two headed cows. Yeah, and fish dogs and all kinds of craziness, so we'll dive more into that next time I get is going to be a mutation. I somehow believe that he said I believe that. I somehow believe I'm going to look for one. He's just weird enough to do it. All right, ladies and gentlemen from the WWV.
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